Jack Yan

ANZ Bank: revelations from the executive level

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Jack:

I loved the fact that I was able to get this from Facebook. Now that my mini-vacation is over for the holidays, I have to say that your personality often reminds me of myself when you feel like you are getting hosed. I sat in my bed and literally laughed out loud for minutes and then read it out loud to get more laughs. Have all of the NZ banks been taken over by the Aussies?
Your major points seemed to have caught on here in the states too, but there are now some maverick banks like First Mariner Bank which has decided not to charge a lot of the old fees and they have been getting customers. Keep up the fight because the service argument doesn't cut it. I love the "Jack fee" line! Classic! LOL! However, it does point out a larger argument: just because everyone else is charging an unethical fee in the eyes of many customers doesn't mean that ANZ or any other bank should engage in a similar practice. What ever happened to investing in mortgages, development projects, infra-structure projects, small businesses and the local community? This is a part of globalism that is just unseemly and because of the Internet and cell phones the day is coming when consumers will start worldwide credit unions and then those execs can come down off of their high horses. I can see consumers engaging in the Obama model of micro-banking. You are on to something. Let's talk offline.
Dr. Chris
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Hi Chris: I had put this on my main blog first, and that has a feed going to Facebook. The majority of the banks here are foreign-owned, bar two—so New Zealanders do need to think about how this affects, for example, the government’s tax take and how that affects our social services.
I like the idea of First Mariner—good on them! The reality is that banks like that and TSB show the big banks, supposedly with efficiencies and economies of scale, that they are full of BS.
The banks keep burning themselves on risky investments: a bad corporate culture. You are right: smaller businesses and the local community are worthwhile ventures. The ANZ does not understand this and I have had first-hand experience of it, which is why I did turn to another Australian bank to help finance one of my businesses. The parent firm closed all its ANZ accounts a few months ago in favour of the TSB.
The power will probably come down to us. Everything else has been democratized because of the internet, so why not banking? Feel free to message me!
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"A deposit to the bank is, after all, my loan to the bank. When the bank loans to me, can I charge it a “Jack privilege fee”?"

A standing ovation on that one Jack! Man, i'd love to have a drink with you. I have never met anyone with an intellect approaching an eon off yours in singapore. The same thing goes on in singapore with people being charged for keeping less than $500 dollars in their savings account in what was once the 'people's bank'(POSB). But, as a Taiwan academic once said on the telly, singapore chinese are the stupidest amongst the chinese diaspora. No wonder this country is religiously importing mainland chinese. Insures political longevity. But you're from HK aren't you. Found HKers to be a highly vibrant and thoughtful lot. Good on you.

I'm surprised that they wanted to change the subject at this point. I would be raring to go full speed ahead with it. Lemon for the brain. Delicious thought.

Unfortunately mate, that is a consequence of the evolution of capitalism. Once people view it as a natural, they will naturally cease to perceive themselves as the cause of all that is good and descend to being mere consumers. It is not just an NZ problem - as i'm sure you are aware - but a global one. The reason why it can continue without abatement is that a problem generally is perceived to be one only when our current identities conflict with the identity it takes to see it as a natural. Marx didn't appreciate that point unfortunately.




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Thanks, Ed! As mentioned, I haven’t spent enough time in Singapore to note the differences but certainly on your last point, there are indeed people—such as the young exec who took the situation for granted and never questioned it—who believes charging for bank services is natural. Excellent point about Marx.

All banks in Oz are like that and you know what? It started down this path in earnest when - wait for it - a couple of Yanks came down here at around the same time to preach their method of running a "profitable" business: Bob Joss at Westpac and Frank Blount at Telstra.

We're seeing the same shit with the current Yank import at Telstra (Sol Trujillo) who's screwing everyone/everything in a bid to - wait for it - "maximise shareholder returns".

I rue the day when business schools only ever thought kids to run businesses the way American businesses ran theirs.

We don't all live in the same way.

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Hear. hear, Ninja. This technocratic, monetarist method has been shown to increase the gap between rich and poor and, in a corporate sphere, isolate consumers. I only hope that the work we are doing at Medinge and similar things that others are doing will continue to gain momentum—so these organizations might learn something. Author Dan Herman is right: these MBA types are all clones.
I'm as outraged as you are, Jack. Having been a victim of banks and telcos, and also having gone through a few management purges ala. "restructuring", I am totally not convinced that business schools are churning out people who actually know how the world works. Having earned a few postgrad business degrees myself, I have seen how these robots with their freshly minted scrolls can extol verbatim the teachings of Porter, Gupta et al., but actually have no idea of having run a business worked by real people, engaged by real people.
I have had people quote to me things like the four Ps or SWOT analysis like they were some Holy Grail—stupid, stupid people. And, like you, I know the type—the Porter-regurgitators and those who have never had to consider human relationships in a societal or commercial context. Banks are among the worst because there is no room to negotiate (bringing the whole idea of a bank’s contract into question) and telcos—well, I’ve plenty of nightmare situations there, just none that have happened since I have been on Vox.
Most of undergrad is about regurgitation, not critical thinking (I can think of a few exceptions—the B-school tutorials were good and Lawrence Green, who consults professionally, comes to mind). I was blessed to have some very good lecturers and professors in my postgraduate years who welcomed a bit of critical thinking. That might have allowed me to spot the phonies after uni.

Most of undergrad is about regurgitation, not critical thinking

Coming from the perspective of a Yank customer, I had a nightmare experience with B of A. I'd failed to get them new contact info after a cross town move and apparently wrote a bad check for (get this) $2.45. That's two dollars, forty five cents. At the time, I was watching my pennies closely but this one bounced. Mind you, the bank had covered my rent check several times previous to this. Anyway, the curator submitted the check twice. Each submission had a charge of $15. Now I'm $30 in the hole and don't know it. A month goes by and I pay my bills and three checks bounce 1 of which was submitted twice. Now I'm $90 down and still don't know it. In the end, I deposited a paycheck and when I checked my balance, I still owed hundreds of dollars! All due to bank charges except the original $2.45. The bank personnel would not talk to me but gave me a number to call. They were threatening to report me as a bad check writer if I refused to pay the bank charges. I told them they'd gotten all they were going to get and immediately opened an account with a Credit Union. Never a problem since. This was just about the time the banks were initiating the overdraft protection program.

My dad prided himself on being able to walk into a local 1st National and get a loan on a handshake. Now they won't even talk to you in person.
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That is terrible behaviour from the Bank of America—and I feel safe in saying that they knew this was happening and purposely concealed it for you so they could screw you for hundreds. I have heard from a lot (most?) of the youngsters who intern here about banks “accidentally” overcharging them. BS: the banks purposely do it and only reverse it when they get found out. They figure kids aren’t going to be vigilant about their bank statements, and they are right.
ANZ used to be a place where you could get a loan not so much on a handshake, but certainly out of loyalty. That’s impossible now, even with collateral.
Since then, I make it a point to spread my story to anyone who will listen. In sharing it, I've heard many other horror stories about them. Some of them make me feel like I got off light.
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We need to keep spreading the word, Judge Bob. People need to wake up.
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Hi Mr. Yan,

I have good and bad news...first the bad, IndyMac bank closed today: July 11, 2008, 3pm.

Around 10,000 people lost an est. total of $500M. The bank held $32B in deposits...still, reports say this may be the largest bank failure in US banking history.

Not so good news, huh - so here is more: five other major banks closed in the past year...imagine that.

Now, the good news--you are right about the way banks engage business with consumers, maybe you should teach a few classes...:)

Simply,
Bill

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I have done a small talk actually at the ANZ for half an hour, but they need serious help—a day’s worth of sessions at the least, and that’s just to the executive team!
wow... keep up the good works. we certainly need more like you.
Thanks, Enguist! Nice icon!

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