Jack Yan

Gonna shoot them ‘coons’

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Ok as soon as I saw the title of the Post I immediately thought what you thought. That is incredibly offensive and I hope the company get's bombarded with complaints... Unfortunately, bad press is still press for them and it makes me think the powers that be in their marketing department weren't so oblivious to the conotation.
Yes the commercial says "coons" BUT, we all know what they are talking about don't we? Are we going to dig so hard into the English language that we have to change or drop everyday used words to make a few anal people happy with the way they see and hear things? I'm sure everybody knows that "coons" means "raccoons". Why try and make things seem what they are not? You obviously knew what they really meant.
Fox Hunting is next? Same kind of tactics, different location & culture.
As an American, I associate raccoons with the South, whether that is because raccoons are more highly concentrated there, or because of the southern tradition of 'coon hunting' in the past. But I can see that using the word 'coon' might be considered offensive to some.

Jack, I think that you are being too sensitive this time- but I didn't hear the commercial so I will withhold judgement on the commercial. It does puzzle me why they used the skit in NZ? We have pack rats in Tucson and Cyotes are a big problem if your pets are left outside.

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May I suggest you contact the Southern Poverty Law Center www.SPLC.org so that the company ? may be investigated and/or added to the Hatewatch. Thank you for being alert to the sublety of hatred.
The link is incorrect for Southern Poverty Law Center, my apologies.
"rolleyes" Oh Pleeassse?!
Oh, and I meant to comment on this:
"I know you can be ignorant and assume that coon is short for raccoon"

I didn't "assume" that coon is short for raccoon. Coon IS short for raccoon. If someone in the US said there was a coon in their backyard, I wouldn't have to plead ignorance to think that they meant a raccoon. I would know perfectly well what they meant; I felt a bit insulted by your insinuation that only an ignorant person would claim that coon was short for raccoon.

Saying that, it would make more sense to me for a NZ company to maybe use possum instead of coon... as more NZers are familiar with possums than they are with raccoons.
Brenda, sorry you took that remark that way: I should have said, ‘I know you can be ignorant of the offensive meaning and assume that coon is short for raccoon only.’
Dave, normally I’d agree. It’s why I posted this one, to get some discussion going and to have a reality check. Yes, I figured out she probably meant raccoon—but it sure wasn’t the first definition that came to mind (as it wasn’t for Ms Genevieve). This depends, I believe, on which definition is stronger for you—sadly, the racist one is for me and the whole southern thing is too much of a coincidence!
This was explained by Brenda—so if raccoons are more common in the south that explains the suitability of a southern accent. Frankly, I don’t know where raccoons are commonplace in the US—which is why I asked.
Dave, if coon’s racist meaning was so minor that few would get it, then I’d have no problems.
Zak and Brenda, the use of raccoons is what I don’t get. Possums, exactly. Would make infinitely more sense. Even if they are not being racist then surely they are playing some stereotype about Americans being southern hicks shooting guns? Kind of like those ads where Chinese are shown to have pigtails. Or those western movies where we never get the girl!
I wouldn’t know how I could get the file for you to listen to. It would be interesting to get a fair judgement of the advertisement but more importantly, it would be interesting to get a judgement of the advertisement from the minorities affected. I am not affected and most of you here are not—but Ms Genevieve is.
I sure wouldn’t like some commercial going on about Chinks even if they were referring to chinks in the armour and having some guy with a strong Chinese accent, and more than a few Caucasians were upset with Chris Tucker’s constant references to ‘whitey’ in Rush Hour 2. It’s not about deconstructing the English language ad infinitum, but just having our eyes open about what words are right in what context. Advertisers need to have responsibility.

Humorists from different regions of our country have used regional accents and cultural differences to make light on the human condition. What I find sad is that skits like this to some will indict Americans from the south and southern culture as racist. You will find good people everywhere; I'm trying to stay positive.

This ad does indict southern Americans unnecessarily, true, so it can be offensive to different audiences.

I just don't see why this ad would work in NZ- It might work in Atlanta or Birmingham and it may be controversial. Making everything antiseptically politically correct is traveling down the wrong road, one where thoughts are a crime as in "1984".

I sure wouldn’t want everything to be watered-down PC because God knows I would get into a lot of trouble. But I can’t see how this ad works here. Yes, by all means, a bit of controversy is fine, but if this is a play on the word coon or on white southerners then it’s kind of lost here in New Zealand. The only angle which it would provoke humour from us is the “dumb Yank” one, another false stereotype.
No reply at the moment from either Southern Plumbing or the Yellow Pages Group.
Jack, if you plan on getting into a "lot of trouble" I will gladly be your "wing man". ;)
I think the "coon" reference is cheeky at best, covertly racist at worst. Still, the semiotics is undeniable and again, because the weight of inference is towards a minority group, that seems to excuse this sort of humour. It's not OK.
How right you are, Ninja. When I write of these it’s certainly not with any assumption that the African race needs me to defend it, but I do believe we should all be vigilant.
I am OK with humour such as: the gags on Mind Your Language, and Benny Hill as Chow Mein, the Chinaman.
While some false stereotypes are touched on, at the end of the day it is not the minority who looks stupid, but rather it is evenly divided.
Here I am not so sure. No one wins here: southern Americans look daft, and we get a racial term on the radio.

Hi Mr. Yan,

I was just passing by and saw the hunting party, thought maybe an American could sit and have a global chat about some coons. See you have company today, howdy folks.

Now that word coon... Funny word, don't hear it round these parts much, na not too much anymore. But, Mr. Yan I can tell you... Back in the 30-70s there were lots of coon hunts, and little colored lawn jockeys stood in front of some homes, people were killed while that term was uttered in hate. See, it is the context that creates the presentation of cultural icons be they positive and uplifting, or historically based in a racial lexicon.

People would use that word to address Humans in an era when America was not so very kind.

Interestingly, its not such a funny word now that I think about America, race, poverty and one man's dream to end the racial construct of the word coon.

Last Friday was the 40th year since America's greatest advocate for diversity was slain. Dr. Martin Luther King had a dream... The word coon reflects everything that he fought against.

Yea, that word coon has a real meaning to us plain folks, some call us country, others just plain call us uneducated about the value of words. I've heard some say that spoken and written words repeated over generations can break a man's soul.

Heck, that's just some ole legacy history stuff.

One world, one race.

Best.

Peace.

b.

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Hi Bill: I thought it was particularly poignant that I wrote about this near the anniversary of Dr King’s assassination. I really like what you had to say and I agree the context is all-important.
BTW I heard the ad again on the Breeze radio station, 4 p.m. today … apparently the ‘coons’ had stolen the southern woman’s teeth, she threw the Yellow Pages at them, and it broke her toilet. No replies yet from Southern Plumbing or the Yellow Pages company.
Jack, Don't ever call a "Southerner" a "Yankee" LOL.
Jack, some of this sensitivity is due to the impression the media likes to give about Americans in the southern states. Yes, the term coons has been used as a racial slur, but that is not the normal or even the average use of it. They literally do refer to raccoons as coons there and have an entire culture around coon hunts. It is unfortunate that the term has been picked up around the world by other racist types for aboriginals. On that score I think the company should have done a little better research before producing such a commercial in NZ. The same commercial running here in the states would probably have run without issue depending on whether or not the coon was actually represented by their chatter or some such so that no confusion with the possibility of taking the slanderous interpretation could have been taken.
Judge Bob, thank you. Jen, who resides in the south, put me right on this, and you are right that my impression may have been swayed by inaccuracies. I agree better research should have been done, especially as there are no raccoons out our way.

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